The political activist insists demonstrations must be pacific, “in front of the headquarters of the institutions, with clear demands”.
JOLGUER RODRÍGUEZ COSTA
FEBRUARY 23, 2014 – 12:01 AM, CARACAS.
—At 36 years of age, what is your role at this crossroads?
—As political activist, with a Higher National Diploma in chemistry, unemployed, who lives in La Pastora (Nortwest of Caracas) and suffers from poverty and insecurity.
—Did you expect this massacre?
—Yes. On February 11 I did a video crying. I knew those fascist ‘collectives’ (pro-government civilian armies) would act out of control from the government. I thought the focus was going to be only in Caracas.
—What outrages you the most?
—That mister Nicolás Maduro shows images of student leaders demonstrating pacifically and calls them criminals, while his armed people kill them on the streets.
—What is fascism?
—The disproportionate use of power by a corporative State in order to utilize the population for partisan purposes.
—The government’s leitmotiv is that the adversary is fascist…
—They’ve been doing that as a reflex action for 15 years, mostly now that the popular base does not support the government anymore.
—Where are infiltrators from?
—In principle, from State security forces.
—Are there any in the opposition?
—The government claims the bullet that killed Genesis Carmona came from the demonstrators…
—If the government says so… What I know I learned via Twitter.
—Is the tweet from Ameliach to Cabello reliable?
—Ameliach has a political responsibility, but there also other proceedings that escape from governmental action.
—Any benefit of the doubt to the government?
—Only Colombian paramilitary. They must apprehend them and send them to their country.
—What else makes you cry?
—All the threats being made to me, my family and friends.
—A reference for the students?
—Under the same cause as in the times of Caldera I?
—Yes, yes, I come from Bandera Roja (a communist party).
—Which of the two flags would you keep?
—Have you heard a Cuban accent within the FANB (Venezuelan armed forces)?
—I haven’t had the chance because I do not take part in ‘guarimbas’ (roadblocks).
—Are those inconvenient?
—Yes, and it’s a thing of young guys. Those in Miami who did it highly damaged the youth by spreading those messages that distort the struggle and push away a pacific solution. A large majority of the opposition does not support roadblocks and most chavistas reject repression.
—How should the protest be?
—Pacific, in front of the headquarters of the institutions, with clear demands.
—What did you feel when you saw the photograph of a wounded Cuban in a Venezuelan military uniform?
—Rage!… That’s a reality that we all must regret.
—And what about face to face with the pro-government student in the CNN debate?
—The government sent some good young guys with no political knowledge in order to wash its hands.
—Was Patricial Janiot (CNN’s host) impartial?
—She made an effort trying to unify the criteria, which proved to be very hard with a pre-structured script.
—Whom from the government would you debate?
—Someone a little difficult: Maduro.
—And from MUD (a body that unifies the opposition)?
—Henrique Capriles Radonski.
—If you were Leopoldo, would you have turned yourself in?
—No, and I asked him in my YouTube video not to.
—An attractive female revolutionary?
—My wife. She used to be a chavista.
—I’m a man from the left who has read Marx, Engels and Lenin.
—What has Marxism done for you?
—It has turned me into a good man.
—Would you support an intervention from the US?
—I totally reject it!
—Is the dialogue possible?
—It’s happening in the streets. The dialogue is the broad base to face the dictatorship. You do not negotiate with dictators.
—Do you believe in the FANB (Venezuelan armed forces)?
—And if that gentleman was asked to resign?
—It would be very dangerous. We would get a much clear dictatorship than the one we already have.
—The mistake of the opposition leadership?
—Not having explained in concrete terms what the way out was. And those that were against it didn’t find a way to explain their position either; and anarchy came.
—What’s your way out?
—The Venezuelan people united under a government plan that abides by the Constitution.
—Through a civic-military body with members from the opposition as some sectors are proposing?
—Nothing with the military!, I agree on the opposition being part of the government.
—Although it sounds a bit abstract…
—Abstract because we do not have the conditions to organize ourselves and forge a truly popular power that can promote change.
—The government is awakening a dormant lion.
—Who is the lion?
—Will Maduro fall?
—The problem is that Maduro does not rule over himself.
—A Cuban, Chinese and Russian international technical room.
—Will pro-government students understand that?
—They understand it already because they are constantly hearing it in queues (to buy food), on public buses, in the subway…
—How would you convince the most passionate?
—Showing them proof of the repression and asking them if they support that. I’m doing it and I’m not alone. And the results are showing. The chavista base is not attacking the demonstrations, only the ‘collectives’ are. The best proof is the (pro-government) demonstration on February 12 that they held inside Miraflores (the government’s headquarters) because it only spanned for half a block. There is an understanding being born between the opposition and chavista sectors, which do not support Maduro; we’re starting to understand each other as siblings, and that’s the great fear of the government.
—According to Maduro, on April 2013 around 900,000 chavistas voted for Capriles. How many would it be now?
—Three and a half million, but that doesn’t mean they belong to the opposition, since they are expecting an egalitarian politics.
—A leader that brings them together?
—It doesn’t exist, they don’t know who it is, they do not perceive it. Instead of waiting for a leader it would be better to share leadership. There is no direction in the opposition.
—Is your telephone tapped?
—Yes!… Didn’t you hear all those noises when you called me to set a time for the interview?
—Do you wish to send them a message live?
—Gentlemen, Venezuela is not going to be neither your Vietnam nor your Korea! The Venezuelan people are not people of war.
Original source: Julio César “Coco” Jiménez: “La mayoría de los chavistas rechaza la represión” (El Nacional)
Translation by #InfoVnzla